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dnatree · Guest

In previous civilizations in order to maintain respect public servants were most harshly punished when they were found to have broken the law..

intent: provoke wonder
Example:

Lawless behavior of Children is a result of Watching their parents.

Lawful parents lead to lawful children but loving parents don't even need a law for the children discover the True intentions of the heart.

Lawless behavior of Children is a result of Watching their parents.

Lawless behavior of Children is a result of Watching their parents.

This is not the intention of this writer but it is related to this post. "Father forgive our leaders for they do not know what their blindness is doing"

Lawless behavior of Children is a result of Watching their parents.

As a country becomes more corrupt that policy sways to where public officials are most leniently treated.

The corrupt wife who loves money and does not love the husband will use sex and wild hearted misinterpretations of his heart to take what she wants. That is a prostitute. She does not CHERISH the moments spent with YOU.
intent: provoke wonder

Lawful parents lead to lawful children but loving parents don't even need a law for the children discover the True intentions of the heart.

The law is a misunderstanding meant for lawless hearts such as we have in office in this country and when it is misused it leads to a greater contention than if we were wild and lawless.

Lawless
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Signe · Joined: 21 Sep 2006 Posts: 1896

Okay, here I go again about the authoritarians. In my reading they discussed that specific trait in an authoritarian follower type. They blamed the victim if the victim was considered beneath them according to their worldview.

However, because they also are followers, they give those in charge much more leniency for bad behavior.

They had no trouble sending an average person to the gallows forever, or even torturing them to death, or even holding them without charges, or even ever having a trial.

Those in charge, well, that is a different story.

The Rule of Law is so important to keep this genetic type from taking over. The Rule of Law has been seriously compromised in this country, and the authoritarian followers, who deem themselves the standardbearers of all that is right and just and civilized, will gladly overrule any law to meet their agenda.

This type of person is irrational. According to their own logic, they must destroy themselves to further their cause in this country. We must have Rule of Law so we don't have to become rigid-thinking extremists who see the world in black and white. Eventually, moderate people have to stand up and face the bullies. Better to have the law mitigate.

bloo · Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 1:43 am Post subject:

I've never been on the wrong side of the law other than a traffic ticket or two, but here is my experience of those who go into this line of work. They get off on the power they have. I went on a date with a cop years ago and I was so disgusted by him. He made a big point of parking in a no parking zone and then bragging to me that I didn't need to worry. Cops look out for each other and he would not get a ticket he said. Makes me want to puke just remembering it. Needless to say, there was not a second date. Just last spring I was stopped by a cop who said I had run through a stop sign. No way. I go through that intersection so often that it's automatic to stop. It's in front of a school so you don't just blow through it without seeing it anyway. You're in a 25 mph zone. Anyway, I was pretty sure I did stop and this was just him throwing around his weight. He didn't give me a ticket, I'm sure because I hadn't really done anything. He was taking a real attitude with me though until he saw my base sitcker. Military families at least do get some respect from cops. One last incident that left a bad taste in my mouth occurred years ago when I was with my first husband. We were stranded by the road and a cop stopped. When I asked him to help us he said I had "watched too much TV", that it wasn't his job to help.

Anyway, rant off. The original point I was going to make is that I can easily see how martial law would work in the U.S. You already have a culture in the law enforcement profession where people with a love for power and control are the ones who go into this profession. They would love a martial law situation. I'm sure there are good folks who go into law enforcement too, to be fair, but I believe that power corrupts weaker souls and there are plenty enough of them attracted to this profession.

LOL did I get totally off topic? I was just riffing on some of the stuff that stood out to me in your post, DNA.
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dnatree · Guest

Thanks bloo for Your input on the "men in blue". lol

I have often thought of communicating to law enforcement as a community service so I do speak to them in passing and have some cop friends which know my intent.

and Signe

This does tie in very well with that. I am also working on communicating with the county police in Milton Florida as that has been an issue there since I can remember. My getting stopped by someone that I knew did not have true intent of heart as he passed the local behind me whom was doing the same spead 35mph to get me when I visited. I had synchs before leaving about hypocritical cops and what they do when no one is looking.

dnatree · Guest

Evangelicals Falwell, Dr. James Kennedy many others dying. Sign of a great change in Christianity and religion. I also feel something coming with James Dobson.

I had posted about Cops and public servants without true intent of heart would be signs to other leaders that they cannot continue without true intention of heart. And pedaling Interpretations as Truth without the Spirit is going to cost more.

Ocean · Joined: 20 Sep 2006 Posts: 11165

Maybe the lies associated with Christianity are dying so that the truth can e re-born.
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dnatree · Guest

dnatree · Guest

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070922/ap_on_re_us/obit_rex_humbard;_ylt=Ak5T7f9hUXCA_arLeKMg11us0NUE

Televangelist Rex Humbard dies at 88

Ocean · Joined: 20 Sep 2006 Posts: 11165

dnatree · Guest

Woke up with the name "Troy Clark" in my dream and looked this up.

http://www.lampofhope.org/999351.html

I am waiting for synchs and the smallest of points overlooked that will prove his innocence.

dnatree · Guest

Ok, I went out to the tv and the allstate commercial for "accident forgiveness" was on and I thought about the "true intentions of the heart" of this guy Troy Clark.

Signe · Joined: 21 Sep 2006 Posts: 1896

That name just appeared to you out the blue through a dream? You hadn't heard of him before? Are you going to write to him?

dnatree · Guest

Yes, I was awoken by the intention to write that name down but I cannot remember what it's relationship to the dream was. I am waiting to see what the synchs have to say that reveal to help him.

http://cftj.org/site/content/view/1659/33/lang,en/

dnatree · Guest

Texas Executions in the national news just after having this synch.

18 minutes ago

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070926/ap_on_re_us/lethal_injection_texas;_ylt=Ar95gJfILFgqVBZxH9VoD0is0NUE

Review doesn't halt Texas executions

dnatree · Guest

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071008/ap_on_re_us/wisconsin_shooting;_ylt=Ar1u9eq92Lou8BWls0N_unys0NUE

Off-duty Wis. deputy sheriff kills 6

F · Joined: 20 Sep 2006 Posts: 2847

These kind of things seem to be coming more often. Its a sign of something very wrong. I worry that what the problem is is that enforcing the law has become a job that is less about doing what is right and more about doing what is in the city's best fiscal interests. Rather than save the poor and downtrodden they are often asked to overlook the poor and downtrodden in order that the frequents budget cuts do not effect the police protection enjoyed by wealthy voters. In the war on drugs the targets of police focus aren't the generals on the side of the drug pushers. Those people are often too important and those cases are taken by the several federal agencies who might be interested. The police instead focus their enforcement efforts on imprisoning the war on drugs' victims - the addicts and small time dealers who get involved because they have gotten hooked or have no other means of supporting themselves and their families.

And the image of police in the media has reflected this for years. More and more the role of cop goes to a character just as bad in many respects as the criminals. The only 'heroic' police appear in TV and movies as members of large city police departments in roles where they have been able to rise many levels above the city streets. But in most cases the police departments across the U.S. have no heights to rise to that are high enough above the streets to keep the taint from effecting all in the department.

snowhawkwoman · Joined: 22 Sep 2006 Posts: 1809

Don't even get me started on the "lawlessness" of the men in blue!!

I have witnessed too much to have any respect for them anymore.

I have a mentally ill daughter.......but part of her mental illness is seeing things as black and white, good and bad (no gray areas) and she is horrifically honest (doesn't have that place in the brain that keeps you from saying hurtful things ..........believes in being totally honest)

I have another daughter who got a DUI.........the cop that busted her gave her the field sobriety test........she passed in 4" heels! But she blew .09 so he took her to jail. He said he stopped her because she was driving 45 in a 30, but she used her turn signals and never was driving "erratically" just fast.
At the jail, he again had her do the "walk the line, balance on one foot, etc" again in 4" heels.......again she passed .....he even said "this should really help you in court since you passed the test and did so well"
Comes court day............he said he stopped her for speeding.........but in the 15 blocks that he followed her (until she was 1/2 block from her home) he could not get his radar gun to work. Then he didn't have any video (for some reason his video camera was not working). Then the judge asked him about audio, did he record on his tape recorder all that transpired, he said yes, but it would take him about 45 minutes to get the tape from the CD he makes of his audio. (her lawyer had requested the audio tape a month before court and it never appeared) the judge gave the cop one week to produce the tape. Guess what........the week came and went.....no tape (because it would show that he thought she really wasn't that intoxicated) And he lied over and over to the judge......and on each lie her lawyer would point out on the form what he had actually written as opposed to what he was saying.
I've seen cops lie so much in court I have absolutely no faith in the criminal justice system in this country. I'm sure half the folks in jail don't belong there! Saw two different cops at two different times lie in court about my mentally ill daughter (and I was there as a witness to both incidents!) It's horrid. And believe me, they cover each other's butts (and they also cover when their cop buddies are abusers.....to their spouses or to the people they arrest) It sickens me.

Saw the best sign ever about Bush on the billboard outside the women's and children's clinic (it's a clinic/food distribution center for the poor) in Topeka.

"Bush teaches our children that it is ok to lie"
Now it says:
"Impeaching Bush is not a choice, it's a duty"

Where is the integrity in people today?????

And we are becoming more and more a "police state".......which is scary!
Canada looks better and better all the time! (as does south america.......at least there you KNOW who the boogie men are!)
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lucidgirl · Joined: 20 Sep 2006 Posts: 521

My stepdad is a deputy and I have many friends in the field.

Having said that, I also believe most cops work in the field because they enjoy the power trip. I don't believe they are all bad, but for the most part they are not working for the greater good.

Its sad for me to say because I also work in the public service industry and I do work for the greater good. Most fire fighters and paramedics do work in the field for that reason.

The other night, my stepdad had a cop party. I would LOVE to tell you the stories I heard but I fear they would give you an even worse view of police officers. I was literally sickened by what I heard. Cops using their authority to beat the downtrodden and get away with whatever they want. These 5 men enjoyed telling these stories even though they were horrible. When I asked why they don't have guilt over the things they do, the answer was, "because the people we do it to are losers!" Thats hardly the answer I was looking for.

I hate to stereotype. I'm sure there are good police officers and deputies out there that do the job for good reasons. Not too many though.
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dnatree · Guest

Last night I was having an experience with why the Wild heart Jesus did as the Custom and went into the synagogues and participated as was the custom. It is the same reason I chose to cut my hair when I visited family. Mutual respect goes both ways and it is within the heart to cooperate with one another with true intent of heart to find the good in what the community does. That is why even though there is so much corruption and misdeeds in Church and State that I would not destroy these things but rather start with them and make changes slowly through "true intention of heart" and as the Spirit would lead. To go in and demand these things are corrupt and to end them would not serve the greater good but big changes allowed to be done through the synchronicity with the Spirit would begin moving in a direction that would work. But first the seat that should be left open to the Spirit needs to be vacated because the servants in this country can be no greater than the master and there is rampant corruption from top to bottom. Public Servants should not be looking to a man especially when it is as corrupt as this administration, but rather to the heart. When we quit blindly following the orders and laws but through heart make the daily decisions that effect our now, then we will begin to see synchronicity work through mutual intent.

Lack of heart and fear of masses results in the blind bitch (justice) misinterpreting the intentions of the heart and not giving a dam.

This generation does not know the Power of broken hearts which is the order of nature, first the heart is circumcised and then the law within is revealed dispelling the misconceptions of the law and religion, for the fearful love minterpretations more than they love each other. Why has order remained for millions of years in nature but humans can't seem to get it? It is because leaders lead away from the heart which is the seat of the soul which is the symbolism of Jesus and the Cross. You cannot recognise the broken heart in animals until You both have one and have the veil of language and interpretation removed. Walks in nature after having Your heart jolted are very revealing. So the coming birth pains are to create in You a heart that does not misinterpret as the law but starts each moment new not building as the mind sees riches but growing as a tree in heart and understanding. The value of these things will from now on greatly increase.

sidenote on what is called the Texacutioner

http://www.ccadp.org/serialpresident.htm

dnatree · Guest

Ex-NYC top cop surrenders to feds

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071109/ap_on_re_us/kerik_investigation;_ylt=AnMt0WjN.QR73d3v4k597qus0NUE

Officials renew investigation into death of Illinois cop's third wife

http://www.startribune.com/484/story/1536827.html

dnatree · Guest

I would like to thank those Cops with "true intention of heart" that help the public to keep the AGREEMENTS (not laws) such as we agree to stop and let a pedestrian cross the street. By not intimidating such as those that believe in the law but rather by serving those that believe in mutual agreements and intentions. It is a fine line where a cop believes in mutual respect or a cop that believes in only the law, these types of public SERVANTS usually do not have a heart and misuse the law themselves.

Society is exspecting a law to accomplish what an arrow through the heart kept in check in humans and animals for eons.

That Spirit that is life says:
You knew it from the start that I would break Your heart.

Humans trying to avoid this devised laws that end the end will lead to destruction.

dnatree · Guest

http://recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071130/A_NEWS/71130015/-1/rss02

I am posting this because it is a Cop in Stockton and because I put forth the intention for leaders and Cops without "true intention of heart" would begin to be "having circumstances" in the news.

Former Sheriff Dunn arrested on DUI charge (11:35 a.m.)

dnatree · Guest

I got a letter back from "Troy Clark" where he asked what the date was that I had the dream as he lost his federal appeal in September. It was the morning of sept 22nd that I had the dream.

Troy had a dream as well that he was in the trailer park here in Stockton where he lived at 12 yrs old and he was NEEDING help.

dnatree · Guest

Time to resurrect this